DEMIAN ROSS

IN THIS EPISODE:

  • Celebrating recovery from past bad decisions
  • From felon to full-time father and entrepreneur
  • Pushing through fear to get unstuck

QUOTATIONS FROM THIS EPISODE:

“When you’re numbing the pain, you’re numbing the happiness.” — .@demianross

“Bring more really cool people around you and really cool talk around you.” — .@demianross

“I just want to be a champion to help people realize they’re stuck.” — .@demianross

BIOGRAPHYHumanly Possible Cover Art - Final-Demian Ross-Episode 21

Demian Ross is a Publisher, Content Creator, Business Junkie, and Digital Nomad who has been traveling the country full-time in an RV. On March 24, 2018, he started a daily video series, called the ROAD TO 1000, where he records a new video every day with the goal of completing 1000 videos. While doing this, Demian also launched a new lifestyle brand and magazine called ROOTLESS LIVING. Whether it’s where you live or where you work, ROOTLESS LIVING will help educate people on how to become unstuck and get out of the mindset that you are locked into a certain lifestyle, regardless of how you feel about it. Demian is documenting the start and growth of this business on the PLAN D podcast. You can grab a FREE digital subscription to ROOTLESS LIVING a digital magazine for digital nomads at https://www.rootlessliving.com/

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Transcript:

Demian Ross 0:00
It’s just those small little moments. So I said yes to that turned into something. And I always go back and do the butterfly to I don’t know if you do that, like, what if I hadn’t gone to that cheesy barbecue and hadn’t met her? What would be going on today? It’s weird. Those things are weird.

Bryan Kramer 0:19
I’m Bryan Kramer, I believe that one of the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is making smaller shifts. It’s the small shifts in our lives that can create epic outcomes. Your journey to be more deeply connected into the life you truly deserve. starts right now.

Welcome to humanly possible a podcast focused on small shifts that make epic differences in our lives. And at work. I’m going to introduce our guest who’s someone I admire and in good friends with him and totally honored to have on the show. I’m here with good with my friend Damian Ross. He’s been a sales and marketing professional with 20 years sales and marketing experience specializing in digital media and social media management and public outreach and creating quality content. That’s part of what he does. The other part is his magazine. In fact, you might he might even say that that’s all of what he does now, which is rootless magazine. What’s rootless magazine it’s the idea that no one needs to feel stuck with so many freedoms and where you can work or live. Why stating stay in a place that doesn’t make you feel alive and at peace? I mean, who doesn’t want that? I’m raising my hand, even if you can’t see me, you’re here, virtually. Whether you’re looking for how to get started a career you can do from anywhere the best place to boondock rootless living, has you covered and so I’m so excited to talk to Damian, not just about rootless, but just everything that led up to rootless welcome Damien, how are you doing?

Demian Ross 1:55
I’m good. I’m really good. I got a little glitchy there for a second. We were just talking about how good it is. That was such a good story, but not doing really good man. I’m glad to be here.

Bryan Kramer 2:04
That’s that’s the emphasis on humanly possible is human because things happen. So I just want to dive right in and and ask you, this is called humanly possible shifts, small shifts, medium shifts, large, large shifts, there are all kinds of them that happened in our lives. What’s one thing that felt small at the time, but ended up being a big shift for you? Ooh,

Demian Ross 2:31
I went to a gay bar once and I met my wife. So it was a small moment, it’s turned into a big shift. No, you know what, I think they’re all I’m this, you know, micro-macro guy, I think. You know, I really look back at the relationships when you ask a question like that, like even saying yes, to go into this, like cheesy barbecue with kind of maybe a potential client and then I met my best friend Nikki, who is my business partner, my travel partner, you know what I mean? Like, it’s just so small little moments, I said yes to that turned into something. And I always go back and do the butterfly to I don’t know if you do that. Like, what if I hadn’t gone to that cheesy barbecue and hadn’t met her? What would be going on today? It’s weird. Those things are weird.

Bryan Kramer 3:11
That’s great. Yeah, there’s certainly like another word I’ve heard for it. If you’ve seen the movie sliding doors with when I think was Gwyneth Paltrow, you know, is the difference of her making it through a train door and what her life would have looked like versus like, not making it and how she was with, you know, two different spouses two different lives, and the whole movie was pretty impressive. And, and those kinds of shifts, obviously, change, you know, you never know how it’s going to be and you’re always looking back at how shifts change. What was the significant shift for you that changed in your life? or changed your life?

Demian Ross 3:46
Yeah, so I got sober at a really young age. And that was a huge shift for me. And I tried to I mean, I literally probably started drinking like heavily at 13 Wow, like I was full on the thermos at school with vodka. the nickname was dubbed drunk until basketball season like straight up and I think I got that nickname before I even started playing basketball to be honest with you. Like, it was just funny that that kind of stuff stuck with me and I got sober at 26 and you know, which is I’m creeping up on 24 years in a row now. And a lot of people aren’t getting sober at 26 that’s when they’re just getting into their drinking you know what I mean? Like they’re just breaking into Oh, this is what it’s like to really kind of party and I had the call quits on it. And that’s been a huge shift and transformation in my life. I mean, I would if I kept drinking and doing drugs I’d be a completely different person if I’d even be here a hundred percent.

Bryan Kramer 4:43
You you look back on your life and and that part of your life. What do you see what comes to mind?

Demian Ross 4:52
Oh, you don’t just anger like I was just an angry guy. Like, all the time and I It’s not that I say that I’m 100% cured of my anger. There are moments but man, when there are moments when it comes up, I’m just I’m remembering that that’s what it was like all the time. Like, I promise. I mean, honestly, no BS, I’ve probably been in 200 fist fights in my life. They know I meet people that have been a nun or maybe one and it’s like, usually in elementary school, you know what I mean? arrested couple dozen times. And then, you know, as they’re each arresting, to get more and more serious kind of stuff. And obviously, none of those things have happened. sober. I mean, I haven’t been even remotely close to a fight. And I haven’t even remotely close to buying brass bracelets anymore. So I’m good.

Bryan Kramer 5:44
Brass bracelets, maybe that’s going to be the title of this. The show. When, when you when I’m curious, I want to dive into like, what, what created what led up to your decision to get sober for life? What made you arrive to that? What was your story before that, and then led you to where that really happened?

Demian Ross 6:11
Yeah. So you know, drinking drugs were you know, I was in, like an 80s kid in Los Angeles, you know, it was around and easy to get to. And you know, after every basketball game, we just went out and drank. And it just got more and more, and I needed more and more, I really liked that escape. And, you know, I lived kind of a different life in the sense that, you know, both my parents were married, they’re still married, they’re still together. I had no brothers and sisters, but I lived in an all-black neighborhood. So the majority of my friends either had a ton of sisters, they had some sort of weird dynamic in their family of maybe the mom and dad weren’t together anymore. And I always felt like an outcast. I mean, I was the white kid, I had my parents, like, I remember kids, like, would make fun of me and be like Damien, so white, his dad loves him. You know, like, that was like the Joker. I was like, wait, what, it’s kind of making fun of yourself in a way. But so I just felt so different. I lied about having siblings to the point like where one died, when my parents talked about getting a divorce, I got really excited, like, this is gonna be great, I’m gonna be like everyone else. And there was a lot of shame, and just in my own life, where my parents are very smart, like, really successful. And even early on, and I just was so different. And I just felt like, I didn’t belong, I didn’t belong at home, I didn’t belong at the school, didn’t belong in my neighborhood. And I also had this chameleon kind of life where I was a different person with different people. And all of that just got to the point where it was just too much. And I think I just was able to numb everything with alcohol and drugs. The life point for me was the last time I got arrested, I was facing 28 years, they moved me to basically the gang Ward at LA County Jail just because of my previous race, I had gotten arrested with some real gangsters and I was not. And these guys are there for, you know, murder and rape and armed robbery. And I’m like, my stinking thinking is what we’ll say in a my decision making has got me here with these people, like, and I’m not this person. So I didn’t have a chameleon to like, go full murder, rape or gangster because I just wasn’t that guy. So I didn’t have that level to kind of fake it there. And I was like, Okay, I don’t want anything to do with this anymore. I’m out. And I’m not a super religious guy. And anyway, and I tried to get sober, but I was full on that guy praying, if you can take away the desire, I won’t ever drink again. And I swear to you be the next day, I didn’t have a desire at all. And I really haven’t. at all since it’s been gone. It’s just out of me. And, uh, you know, I had to do the stuff, I had to do 90 days of a and anger management, all the stuff that was, you know, part of, you know, kind of my plea deal. And all of that was just awful for me, just because, one, no one got silver to their 20. So I couldn’t relate the anger management guys. They just wanted to be tough, and I didn’t want to be tough anymore. I was over that stuff. And as soon as my 90 days, I was out of all of those programs and just, you know, kind of moving forward with my life and trying to not hide from it I kind of had to in the first couple years, but then after that I really kind of celebrated it in a sense where it’s like, hey, yeah, I made some really bad choices. I will say that of the whatever seven felonies they threw at me, I only really kind of committed one the other six were completely made up bs that they just were throwing because then you get a deal like is saying no one in the hood goes to trial. Everyone takes a deal. No one goes to a jury trial. You just you’re an idiot. If you do that you’ll get convicted. So you take a deal.

Bryan Kramer 9:42
Wow, that’s pretty powerful. And I know that. Well, first of all, thank you for sharing that. You’re You’re an open book, which I love about you. And I know that you want to share that was there a time when you were not an open book about this. You’re ashamed of it or you You it brought you anxiety for what you have had done or what have you always been this open book.

Demian Ross 10:07
I’ve been pretty open book in the sense that the majority of people that knew me knew I was gone for a while, you know what I mean? And so there wasn’t a way of like lying about it or trying to make something else about it. I mean, obviously, I tried to downplay it, when I was trying to get jobs. I would wait till friends got to know me. And then I would say, hey, there’s part of me, just in case it like, came up somehow, or, you know, I like making jokes every once in a while about being imprisoned and being in jail. And, and they’re funny, because I know people that make them that have never been to prison in jail. And people, you know, don’t question them. But for some reason, somebody be like, wait, wait, Did that really happen? And so yeah, there was there was a, it’s not the shame of actually getting in trouble and going to jail. It’s just a shame that I kind of brought on to my parents, because, you know, I wasn’t, even though I was a latchkey kid, my parents were very involved, my parents produced television shows, but they’re really, I can’t remember a time where even a 3pm midweek game, I didn’t look up in the stands, if they weren’t both there, at least one was there. And they tried really hard. And that was probably another one of my life moments, because they came to visit me. And because of the ward I was on, they had to go to like a monitoring system. It’s not like in the movies, where we’re talking through glass, they’re literally in a room with a little 10 inch monitor. And then I’m in a room and I’m shackled in a little 10 inch monitor, and I could see not to shame so so much, but just this is it, we’re done after this, if he can’t get his stuff together, we can’t keep doing this. We did everything right. I mean, you know, they made mistakes, his parents, but not anything terrible. And that was a life moment for me to those two things where it’s like the people I don’t know, I’m with the people I don’t know, and hate and despise them with and the people that I love and care about don’t want me to be around, I was like, I this I gotta fix this. You know, that was really, it’s so good, really to be ashamed of it? No, because, you know, I even when we were talking about like, kind of the butterfly effect. There are moments where I say, you know, if I did this, or I didn’t do this, look, I have four beautiful, amazing kids that I had the opportunity to literally have legally custody of, and they lived with me. I mean, for a good 10 years before they all graduated and became little adults. And anything that I go back and do even doing things where I don’t go to jail. I don’t know if that happens, you know what I mean? So it’s not anything I can change or would want to change, because I just don’t know what the outcome would do. You know, with those kids, and, you know, how

Bryan Kramer 12:33
did what happened to you and for the rest of your life?

Demian Ross 12:39
Um, I took good question. I think really, for me, it just, it was the first time I really felt like, I was better than this. You know what I mean? I’m with people that I’m doing things to get me to the same situation. But I’m so much smarter, and I’m so much more just capable. And I feel like if you’re going to go down, I mean, no one should go down some sort of murderous rapist, you know, robbery road. But if you are, it’s because he can’t do anything else. That’s like all you have. And I have so many opportunities and options. But I will say what, what kind of brought me into becoming like an entrepreneur, it was just it was hard to get a job. Because I had to say, Yes, I’ve been convicted of a felony. And, you know, and that was really tough. And honestly, even if I hadn’t been convicted, a lot of the California job application, say if you’ve ever been arrested, and arrested, not guilty or not guilty, you could be arrested. And although you know, we made a mistake, you still have to say yes, they’ve changed the forms now. But in the 80s. If you were falsely arrested, you still had to say you were arrested on your job application. It wasn’t I was on a 10 year probation, it wasn’t worth lying on a job application. So it really did make me think through how do I work for myself. It’s my only option. And then when I got custody of all four of my kids, I had no other option. You can’t work for someone and be available to four kids that are going to four different schools. It’s just impossible. So it kind of forced me down that road. Even though I love it.

Bryan Kramer 14:09
What did you do? How do you get how do you survive with four, four children? What was that like?

Demian Ross 14:15
Yeah, so at the time I was working, when I got arrested, I was working for kinkos I was a great shift employee and I had a basketball clothing company that I did kind of in the day and I just worked graveyard because then I had a place that I could drink. For the rest of it. No one. No one came in at two in the morning to get copies and I could you know continue to do my thing, no one notice. And I had health coverage and I could be a little entrepreneur do my business. They actually kept my job even when I went through arrested you know a little bit of jail time and then rehab. When I got back. I had that job there and then a group of us left and started a company I was one of the owners I just was one of the employees that came along so I had that for a while. And when that dried up I just I immediately because of that I went into business for myself more graphic design print work which led to a skate magazine, which then led to a city publication, a graphic design company, I kind of done it all and then got into like, you know, the digital marketing and had a little agency. So I was always doing those things. But during the core of me having custody of my kids, I had a publication called the llamada Insider, I lived in a city called La Mirada. And I changed it the city Insider, as we brought in a little bit more areas, and it was just local news. That’s all it was. And I took over for a chamber of commerce at the time, too. So I had those two gigs, it just gave me the freedom to be available for my kids whenever I needed to I did that through the Corps, right up until about 2008. And then, uh, about 2008, after there being almost, you know, 20 years behind. A lot of the job applications change to have you been convicted of a felony in the last 10 years. So that made it easy. And a lot of the jobs I was applying for, there wasn’t a job application. So I wasn’t checking off. If I’ve been, I was just given a resume and trying to get some sort of sea level position. So there wasn’t, you know, have you ever been convicted. And I did, I went back to work for other people. And it just it’s not in my DNA, it’s not in my personality, no matter really who they are. And so went back to being self employed again, and you know, entrepreneur,

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Demian Ross 19:10
Yeah, I think, you know, going through my first divorce was rough because I had all four of my kids with her and then trying to figure through that. And there’s always highs and lows and around income. Like I there was a time I want to write a book called The broke millionaire where like I had this mindset where I could easily be a millionaire but for some reason and I don’t know if it’s self sabotage or this you know, poverty mentality or whatever it is. I just would never let myself get there. And I always was living that kind of you know, chasing the next check to pay the next check. I always had that really and then I did have some good seasons where money was like no issue, which was weird and it great and didn’t have to think about it and was trying my hardest to you know, get that six figures in a savings account and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I mean it It’s funny I talked about, you know, being sobers. I think people think their life is gonna be great. You know, look, I have gone through two divorces at a death of a daughter. I’ve been, you know, I’ve lost really good friends, I’ve lost really good jobs from people that I really thought were like, they had my back, you know, and like, would just quickly get terminated and get spun out. And so I’ve had all those, you know, highs and lows, I’ve gone, gosh, even years without speaking to my parents, to them be best friends to them, not speaking again to them somewhat speaking. Same thing with the kids, my oldest daughter was very much had my DNA and I had to do a lot of the things my parents did, you know, special school, and really have to be around her all the time and keep an eye on her. And, you know, luckily, she didn’t, she didn’t take as long to get her shit together, which is nice. You know, she figured stuff out, as soon as she kind of left the house, which, you know, I didn’t, you know, when I left the house. And so, yeah, there’s always been highs, lows, nothing’s been really comfortable. I feel like I have, I have like, good two years. And then she goes off the rails, and then I have to spend some time fixing it. And I have another good two years. And which scares me when I’m like thinking like, Man, this is a good year, and I’m like, damn it, I got another good year, I got to make sure I figure it out, that doesn’t go off the rails, because I really look back on my life and has that like two year on six months off two year on. And it’s different now too, because when I was younger, younger, the drive was different. When I had the custody of the kids, the fear of not being able to provide for them was different. And now I’m a little older, where you know that that same kind of 20 something drives not with me anymore, just because I’ll hit 50 next year. And I don’t have the fear that if I fail, you know, all my kids go broke. I mean, I do have obviously no obligation to my partner to be successful. But it’s a different fear, then, you know, I don’t know what I do with my kids. So they’ll move into the car, you know, I mean, I know those are watching a video, I’ve got a good homeless look going on anyway, so I’m good with that. If I end up in a car to figure it out, I’m alright. But that’s, that’s a different motivation. And the fear motivation was amazing. Like, I just was able to push through things that I didn’t think I could, um, you know, one thing too, in 2016, I went homeless for about 90 days. I had lost a job in 2014, literally like a Wednesday sat down with the CEO had all this stuff planned out Friday came in, they let me go. And I it took a while took about a year to kind of spin out to the point where it just I was doing my own agency thing again, and the money dried up. And the one good thing is I didn’t have I never missed rent and then la Orange County, you want to keep that record, you know, because I’m not buying in LA Orange County, for sure. So I had to give up the place. All together, it was about 90 days, you know, I went to go live with friends, very few kind of nights in my car. But I just didn’t have a place I had to displace my two youngest kids to go live with family and friends during the 90 days. I remember the hardest moment was dropping off Luke, who at the time was 16 at his friend’s house. I didn’t even have 20 bucks to my name to give him like, oh, here’s money for the week, like just nothing. It was such a down and you know, there was it in around that there was a good suicide moment. There was a good like, Okay, this is it. You know, I can’t numb this. Let’s end this. And, you know, obviously, that didn’t happen. And it’s probably the only real suicide moment I feel like I’ve had in my life obviously, as a kid, you kind of think about it or as an adult, but this was like, I remember thinking if I owned a handgun, this would be done right now, like this would be over. And so yeah, there’s been some, some really, you know, high lows, and I’m definitely, I would say that 2020 has been a big high, and which has been good, but scary to

Bryan Kramer 23:53
who’s Damien Ross today. Wow. Um,

Demian Ross 23:59
you know, it’s funny when I think about myself today, I kind of think about, this is a guy that’s going to help lead, like a really cool revolution. And I see myself getting kind of prepared for that. Now I know that can freak people out, like what’s he talking about? I think the American Dream is a complete scam sham. And I fell for it. I fell for all the pressure that you know, I met these two very successful parents. I had really successful friends. And you know, when you went to the schools that I went to, and you play to the level of basketball I did, I had so many guys that went to the pros and just all this different stuff that I was trying to compare myself to. And I just realized, I think since being full time in an RV traveling for the last three years, I just realized what a scam. All of that was. And you know, I mean I i probably own I’d say a 20th of the things that I’ve ever owned in my life, and I feel so much freer and I live in 400 square feet. And it’s the biggest home I’ve ever had, in a way, you know what I mean? And it’s just, I feel like that’s who Damian is today. And I haven’t figured out exactly how that’s going to come out vocally. I mean, outside of the magazine, because the magazines, Damien, but I feel like that’s who kind of Damien Ross is, I just want to be a champion, to help people realize they’re stuck. They’re probably chasing a dream that’s impossible to hit. And at the end of the day, I think I’ve seen enough studies now that when people are in their 80s, and 90s, in a retirement, nobody says they would have wished they would have worked more, nobody says they wish they would have made more money. They all talk about family life experiences and travel. And I just want to try to help wake people up to that.

Bryan Kramer 25:45
So when you look back, over everything we just discussed, and you’re thinking about one thing that you were just super proud of yourself, for I know there’s a whole bunch what comes to mind.

Demian Ross 26:00
You’re gonna get me, you know what, I thought I was an awesome dad. Like, I really do. When I think about juggling these four kids, I just I remember having this moment where I literally had to take four kids to four different schools, their ages two to 12. And I remember getting up at 6am, making their breakfast, making them lunches, writing little notes in their lunches, getting them to their schools on time with their homework on time dressed all nice. And I remember that moment that I drove from there, and you know, got to the office. And I just remember having this moment, like, like, I really was, like, if the guys could see me if the guys that, you know, that was probably like, you know, five years earlier, could see this just drunk druggie want to be kind of gangster being a complete idiot, that now he’s got his stuff together like this, it was a really proud moment. And there was no one around this. See, you know, there’s no social to post it, there is none of that it was just me in my office. And I had this really cool moment where I was like, Man, I’m an adult, it was funny to be, I always remember that, where I’m like, man, I feel like an adult. I had four kids, I’d already been divorced. You know, I’ve been sober, probably a decade or something. And I’m like, now I feel like an adult. And it was just really weird. I look back at that. I’m like, that’s funny that I finally felt like a grown up. After four kids and a divorce. Most people try to feel like a grown up before they start having kids and start getting married.

Bryan Kramer 27:26
Oh, that’s for sure. I can vouch for that. There’s nothing like growing yourself up with having two kids. I would love I would love to close out with something that you might offer up someone who’s going through a hard day someone who’s going through a hard challenge. Maybe they’re there, they’re going through similar things to what you went through. What would you say?

Demian Ross 27:49
Yeah, I think if you’re really, I mean, especially around drugs and alcohol. Um, the thing that I always didn’t realize at the time is that when you’re numbing the pain, you’re numbing the happiness. And, and what people don’t realize you can’t just decide what you want to numb. And so I remember, you know, moments like where the kids mom, in between what you know, when we got, so here’s kind of a funny story. When we, when I got arrested, we were split up, we were done, we were never going to you know, be together. And then after I got sober, I remember thinking, well, maybe my marriage is bad, because I was drunk. And you know, got back with her, it was good for a little while, we had two more kids, but we did have a miscarriage in the in the middle of there. And she had this moment where she broke down and she was like, I can’t believe you’re here like present. And I thought that’s what that really kind of did too, is that I wasn’t really like a functioning alcoholic, I would just check out and sort of be present and all those things. And so it’s like, if you’re really struggling with it, you’re probably numbing a lot of happiness, you’re probably not present for a lot of moments that would give you a lot of joy. And so you, you just keep compounding the crap really by trying to numb it through drugs and alcohol. The other thing I think I’ve learned just in maybe the last three or four years is you’re just, we’re just so hard on ourselves. We’re like our worst enemy and all this fear and just our self talk and our self doubt, I still deal with it. I don’t have any kind of perfect, it’s not nearly as bad. Like I would literally have conversations with myself where I was just telling myself How stupid I am. And I just need to go take a job I don’t have to think and you know, make eight bucks an hour and then go home and all that kind of stuff. And you know, and it’s not to say that that’s a a stupid person’s job by any means. But it was just like, that’s all I was worth was kind of my my thinking and you know, so I think those two things if you can remove the the mood altering whatever it is, and if you can bring more you just really cool people around, you’re really cool talk around you. I think things really to get better. You know, it sounds kooky when I think about it,

Bryan Kramer 29:52
what a great place to close out. Thank you so much for going deep and sharing some of your stories and where you came from and what you went through and and just a little bit of just let everybody know, like, where can where can they find you? How can they find out about the magazine? And I know they can’t find you because you’re in a different city every couple weeks, but how do people find out about more about you?

Demian Ross 30:19
Yeah, so the magazine is really everything rootless living, I think only Instagram. It’s rootless living mag. But if you go to realist living.com, you can grab a free digital subscription. We’re basically a magazine for digital nomads by digital nomads, obviously, a big core of what we talk about is full time living in an RV. We just sent issue number six or first years kind of in the can, as they say, which is really great. And you know, things have really picked up. Obviously COVID was was a weird thing for someone that’s traveling full time. It really brought on a lot of subscribers and it paused a lot of advertisers until they could figure out which makes total sense so but even then, we’ve you know, we’ve come out really strong which I’m excited about. And then I’m everywhere. I’ve tried to stay away from a lot of the socials just because now I’m a brand and Damien’s pretty open book and likes to say things but you can find me at Damien Ross pretty much anywhere and Instagrams probably the best place to kind of hang out and my name is spelled weird. It’s d m, I n, r o ss, and I’m there and love to hang out, you know, and be real, which is hard. I’ve deleted probably 20,000 posts in the last year.

Bryan Kramer 31:28
Well, thank you, Damien. I appreciate you for how you show up in the world and what you’re doing and I can’t wait to see what what what’s next for you.

Demian Ross 31:35
Yeah, man. Big things. I’m excited for 2021 like, I got to finish 2020 but 2020 one’s looking pretty good.

Bryan Kramer 31:41
I was gonna say we’re not done yet. But I get I get exactly what you’re saying. Thanks again, my friend. Thank you so much for joining us this week. If you love this episode, please subscribe. We love having subscribers just like you download a few more episodes and if you feel moved, we would so appreciate a review. I’d love to also hear your key takeaway what impacted you from this episode? You can tweet me your answer and reach out on Twitter at Bryan Kramer. That’s Brian with a why cream with a K. And definitely be sure to join us in our Facebook group we have just under 3000 humans just like you and me, looking to connect even more in perfectly. Until next time.